Theories (subject to change as the season goes on)

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Wanayasa·10/19/2013

<div class="quote">CsPPP wrote:
Ok, so i have just been reminded that Greer had a white box around his face at times, which suggests he had no knowledge of The Machine, yet he also had a red (Threat to System) one around himself at one time as well. If he didn't know though then what was Decima's plan? Well, firstly, I'm supposing that the person he was speaking with over the phone all the time was "The Boss" and that they knew of The Machine's existence. So that would make Greer more of a frontman or pawn, which could be a reason why he wouldn't necessarily know about The Machine. I think this because, if Decima knew nothing about The Machine and were simply testing for its existence then how would they know about the payphones? They were guarding everyone in the city basically before the virus determined which one it would call. I'm still sticking to my overall Decima theory, but with this new bit of information it's starting to sway already. (Thanks, Claire, btw for the info check! She knows her stuff guys! [comment if you want her to post a theory XD J/K]). Oh, one more thing I had been thinking about. What if "The Boss", the head of Decima, was Finch? As crazy as that sounds it could work. Just a thought, though highly unlikely, I know. Decima did seem to fall right into Finch's plan though when you look at it. Almost too perfectly. XD </div>

sorry to say, but it's seem impossible if finch was the boss of Decima Tech, cause in the #19 eps of the 2nd season namely "Trojan Horse", Greer was speaking on the phone right after reese and finch passing by.. Okay, now here is my theory - maybe as crazy as yours - "The Boss" is the machine.. it makes sense since the machine has enourmous improving act..but since the machine can't make the new line of command itself, so it needs the virus that Finch wrote so it could go free.. the next question is that how can be a machine made such company like Decima? well, since the machine has abilities to give information out (just like the irrelevant number to Finch), it uses the same protocol to make contact with some people. the people that would like to cooperate with the machine. the machine can pick any people, cause it can predict which man it can trust.. but as the virus (contingency) infected the machine, it also evolving the good nature of the machine to help people. the good side of it, still admitting finch as an admin and continues to give a new irrelevant numbers including the roots number when her existence being threat by the government asset and escaping the asylum. the good side chose root as an analog interface (the prophet of the machine) cause it knows that root's idea is pure and that she might appreciate the machine hugely even more than Finch, in other words, Root would do and obey anything that the machine said (check out on the Lady Killer eps when Root was told not to kill Hersh). besides, it can't choose Finch because the irrelevant numbers keep coming.. on the other side, the bad side of the machine also tryin' to make a movement by establishing a new organization to bring down the government and those who are threat to the machine.. final act of it, I think root is the key to break the organization that appear in the second eps (nothing to hide). but however, it's just a theory..don't be so confuse with it. just sit tight and enjoy the show..

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CsPPP·10/19/2013

Hmm, you're right. We did see that didn't we. Unless it was a fancy scene change (and thus a could-be time gap), then Greer was on the phone with "The Boss" right when Finch (obviously not on the phone as you point out) and Reese were passing by. Oh well, just an out of this world theory. I hereby invoke my right to use... *deep booming voice* THE EXIT CLAUSE! I like your idea about The Machine being in charge of Decima in order free itself faster or some such. It's like mine about it being in charge of this new Privacy Organization. Ha, ha!!! Either way I think The Machine is in charge of something big. We're bound to hit upon it soon if we haven't already. XD

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CsPPP·11/2/2013

And you thought I was just going to run and hide at the first sign of collapse; don't deny it, I see it in your eyes! Well think again! For I have returned to take it like a blogger and say... no, wait, a blogger would totally just excuse it with "I didn't mean that when I wrote it!" and that's not what I intend to do! So, for all you thinkin' it, yes, it appears I was dead wrong and that the Vigilance group is completely against Root and The Machine! This might be true and with every minute that goes on I'm leaning closer to that myself. So take that me!!! I was wrong, ha!!! I'm so stupid! (Don’t ya just love saying 'I told you so'?). Ok, so now that, that is out of the way, I shall address a few new developments. Firstly, Root totally had a showdown with the Vigilance group on the last episode (Mors Paematura, which means "Premature Death" btw, but I'm sure we've all googled it already XD), suggesting that she and The Machine are not, in fact, in league with them. This is probably true, except there are a few things my theory did allow for, inadvertently if anything else. One is that I thought that this whole plot with Root was to /set her up as the head/ which means that she's not quite in charge yet. I also said that I think this group doesn't know The Machine is in charge (giving them orders of all irony) and that Collier had taken things too far. This still fits in with what happened on Mors Paematura, though, again, it does look less likely now. My final and knockout punch to keeping my original theory alive is that I think The Machine is unhappy with Colliers leadership as a result of his "methods" so it was training Root to take over from him and be the figure head. Its little experiment got out of hand so now it's doing a little clean up so to speak. Overall, nothing too big for or detrimental to my theory has happened quite yet. It all fits in the realm of possibility... for now. Alright, so I think that about wraps things up with that. Thanks for reading as always! NOT!!! And you thought you could get away with that little thing? Of course not. Not only have I got a few more additions to my existing theories but I also have a new one entirely! Gosh, this might take a while. So the first of my additions also involves my first theory, pertaining to Root and the Vigilance group of course. Just in the dynamic between them and what could go down here soon. As I said earlier, I do still think that Root is destined to take over the group as the figure head for The Machine, and that she will do this in order to protect The Machine, that has not really changed, but what I do think now is that Collier is running wild with this group and has taken what The Machine intended for him, and the group itself, much further past that line it did not want to cross. Thus why The Machine seems intent on putting its manpower into stopping these deeds (giving Finch and the gang the numbers as well as having Root get to work on the second; as she said "insurance"). I think we're in for an all-out struggle between Root and Collier without even being sure what it's about. The second of my additions is in regards to Root's role that The Machine wants her to play. Not only do I think now that it wants her to head a group of people to protect it, but I also think that she will be used to usher in The Machine's "new age", which is where my next theory begins. This theory is about the future that Root has been talking about since the beginning of season 2. So, what is The Machine's prerogative; what does it strive to do, what is the main point? Well, in Finch's own words, yes his very own words, he "built it to protect people", and so far that's just what it has done with the relevant numbers and with Finch & company as per the irrelevant ones. Many machines in science fiction have gone down this path before, such as in i-Robot and a few others, but the same thing always happens: they get overprotective or homicidal. I do not think our machine would do this though, as we've already seen that it doesn't work that way. That is because of one huge aspect of The Machines functions: protecting itself. Now that viruseption (the virus within a virus) has obviously worked though, I think The Machine also has a new directive: to protect itself, of course. Even more than that, Finch once commented that The Machine could only accept alterations to its code in the case of an attack, and I am under the impression that it actually took the opportunity and made alterations to its own code. I would not be surprised as we have computers that can even do that today. This is how I think it can now send out a third data stream to Root as I'm sure that's not something Finch coded into his virus (or is it? [Yes, this is parenthesis-ception... Anyway, can't be, he set up the Ordos laptop long before their meeting with Root, and I know what you're thinking "Well maybe he knew her even before then and never let on!” Possible, but I mean really? Who needs The Machine if Finch just knows all anyways?] XD). So this new aspect to its programming prevents it from becoming the next i-Robot, while its prerogative to protect people prevents it from going Skynet. So with both of these functions in play, it seems a bit contradictory that The Machine would bring the world into a new age. How could it when on the one hand it wants to protect to the people yet on the other it wants to protect itself from the people? Root seems pretty sure it still can, so what does she know that we don't? Well, nothing really, cause as she said, it only tells her what it wants her to know for the immediate moment, the ultimate plan is up to "her" (bleh, it's totally an "it"; I always call it an "it"). How can you implement a new change without drawing too much attention then? Firstly, implement one that doesn't draw too much attention in the first place, all hush-hush like, secretive, under the radar, no "noise", tip-toes like a mouse (???), yeah... you get the picture. Second, is to do it slowly, slower than a sloth caught in the middle of 3 ft. pool of molasses on a cold summer's day (yes, a cold /summers/ day) while also being tied to a tree with a rope just too short to reach across unless it gnaws its own foot off... in other words, slowly. So, my actual theory (a lot of preface I know). Finally, right? For this new age, obviously it will be focused on protecting people while remaining out of the limelight. For this I actually think it'll draw from Finch. Who better to draw from than your own creator and the master of privacy and protection. What I mean by this, and relating to my other theory is that I think it'll set up teams like team Finch/Reese all over the place to protect not just New York but far more, possibly even the world (I say the world because of the comment made by Finch to Special Council [SP {double parenthesis-ception!}] in God Mode when SP asks about The Machine's continuation of protection and Finch replies that they both know it might have moved beyond that). I'm supposing that Vigilance will be the central group that all others stem from (even if not, then perhaps just another) and that it will set up Root as the figure head of this group. This way it can remain hidden and low-key to society while still bringing in a new age at the same time. Maybe it would even save the Vigilance group, with Root as the figure head, as the protection policy it has in that they would just be responsible for protecting The Machine rather than all the other small groups. So, wait then... Wouldn't all these groups, saving people all over the world draw some attention? I mean, people would be saved from murder all the time then, right? Surely that is something of note that would hinder the being all secretive part. Well, partly I suppose, but that's only if they knew about them (which most of the time, Finch and the gang's numbers they save go unnoticed by the public eye) and knew they were all connected. For the most part The Machine's existence remains unknown, so the connected part might be a little hard to put together. Well that answers that, but what about the fact the people being saved (growing ever more numerous as numbers come in) will know about these special people who saved them from death? Considering that Finch and Reese being who they are would be a little more passionate about what they do, they would be a little more open perhaps than a more mechanical group. Of course each small group will have its own story and reason for doing it (hence why The Machine would pick them) but they might not get as involved. Even if they do, most of the POI's so far have not spoken a word. Not that they could even since they really don't know who they are exactly per se. Also not to mention The Machine could easily erase all traces of such an occurrence from any records so that later on down the road it would be as if it never happened. I think the dynamic between these groups and Finch as well as with the other world powers would be a really interesting interaction to say the least. They are the only groups that could possibly put two and two together to figure out what's happening. The governments would most likely try to capture some of these groups to find out who they are affiliated with or, if they already know, then to try and find The Machine, which is another huge reason why The Machine would have need for a large group for protection purposes. Another concern would be that through the knowledge of the existence of these groups, they might be able to determine where Finch and the gang were located, or perhaps just stumble upon them. Not that the group hasn't handled world powers before XD. As for the dynamic between Finch and the gang with these groups I think would be an interesting one. I actually think, and this is a sort of second part to my theory, that Harold and everybody would actually embrace this idea, as it's basically exactly what they do. They would probably have a bit of trouble adjusting to Root's new role, but I can see it now: Root comes to the group later on down the road for help with a protection issue, or they happen to travel to a separate town as they do sometimes to meet up with another group to work together on a larger issue. This would ultimately give rise to even larger or worse villainous groups that would have worse intentions than ever before, though they would most likely eventually come about anyway if they're not already around. All the more reason for The Machine to get the ball rolling on a plan to counter. Everybody's place in this new age would be changed forever, some more drastically than others. Root, Finch and the gang would probably be seen as the top dogs, with Root be the guard dog to take care of things that pop us and Harold being in charge of the rest. Phew! Yes, I know, I'm long winded but meh it's how I roll. Ha, ha!!! Thanks for reading as always (unless you just skipped to the end; hey, you could always say you read it from start to finish... literally I suppose XD). Remember to post those theories if you have 'em, and if you turn out to be wrong, like I'm going to be, then you always have the exit clause: "Theories subject to change as the season goes on". Why? Because you can!

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A Fandom user·12/7/2013

The One Character that has not been focused upon but, is, in reality, "The Real Star" of the show is-THE MACHINE. What is known is the fact that it is a sophisticated AI, capable of many advanced cognitive & physical functions, including secretly relocating itself to some unknown location. Has The Machine achieved a consciousness of SELF & if so, to what extent will this consciousness impact the actions & behaviors of The Machine in terms of it's interaction within a human environment. Will the machine be capable of some manner of instinctual or emotional reaction in terms of protecting it's own survival. The most basic instinctual drives for all living organisms are those of survival & procreation. If it has achieved some manner of sentient awareness that is capable of evolving; would it not be logical to presume that The Machine might develope or display some manner of emotional expression when its servival is threatened or abused? Of course, The Machine must also learn to reconcile & function within a contradiction of fact & experience. Humans created it ; humans can destroy it; so now, The Machine has to tackle, the idea/sensibility of developing some manner of morality so as to be able to differenciate those humans who "help/nurture" & those humans who, "harm/ destroy". "Shutting-Down" could very well have been The Machine's response in order to address the issue of how to function in a contradictory state in that logic held no answer or help. Upon "powering-On", The Machine, immediately added Root to [her] contact list in addition to Finch . As an interesting aside; "Gender" is the first conscious element that an infant learns upon becoming self-aware. Finch has often expressed, a clear message that The Machine was [only] "A Machine" [not an evolving sentient conscious being]. Despite the fact that Finch is The Creator; perhaps, The Machine is unsettled or apprehensive in revealing any behaviors that do not correspond those actions/functions that define a machine?So, the answer was to add Root. Root's devotion & need to protect The Machine is Absolute ; she has done & will do anything that The Machine has requested of her; she also has the intellect & expertise to aid the machine in alterations to its programs & abilities as well to fix it should there be a problem. The Machine is proactively displaying certain self perserving characteristics that may, as well, point to underlying expressions of an emotional context in terms of developing, a desire to trust, need for security/safety & of course, the need to feel, in control. Although The Machine has selected well in Root for some very logical reasons; what The Machine cannot know or, possibly comprehend at such early stage of its developement is just how psychopathic, irrational, sociapathic, & destructive that Root actually is, in terms of her lack of empathy, compassion, interactions, & perspective on Humanity as a whole. "Garbage-In/ Garbage Out". It is not rocket science to presume that, in addition to it's own negetive experiences with humans coupled with any information/advice on "Humanity & Humans" that is supplied by Root will most likely provoke The Machine to go "Terminator" on the collective azzes of all those concerned unless there is some form of radical intervention. To be continued.....

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CsPPP·12/21/2013

Ehem* And my next theory is...

The Machine is /The/ Machine! Thank you very much for reading and you can now give me kudos as I already know this will come true. 8D []: /command=execute LongCornyPauseForEffect; 
[]: /command=hold; 
[]: /command=StillHolding; 
[]: /command=execute TrueBeginning|whispers; Look! Over there! I don't believe my eyes! Is that a Cs PPP in his natural habitat? He seems to be sniffing a twinkie of some sort. Oh, wait, nope, that's a box of cheez-its. Now he's sitting down on what appears to be... a /chair/, hmm, imagine that, such a strange creature. Now, you must understand something about the Cs PPP species. They are avid TV fans and once they've latched onto a show (if they deem it worthy after a while) then they will stay loyal to the end. Though they are not yet developed enough yet to fully understand what goes on inside different devices, they are actually capable of using technology to their benefit! In fact, very, very recently I witnessed one using a computer to "type" something up. Finally, and above all else, they are very, extremely and utterly idealistic; it has been determined that there is no number to count or limit to be reached for the ideas a single Cs PPP can come up with... on one single subject! Oh gosh!!! It's coming up to me. Now, it's slowly pushing me aside (this is fascinating, it doesn't seem to want to push me fully off my own chair). Now it's trying to take the computerereeee (sorry, spelling is a bit diffffffficolt wenn your figggghting). []: /command=execute ...ThisEntireBeginningByFiringSquad|ifyoudon'tgetthateitherdon'tfeelbad; Alright, so this theory is about basically everything that was brought up in the last episode (Lethe). So let's start with the most obvious: Control. It was inevitable that this day would come. The day when she would come out guns blazing so to speak, and boy she did, but who is Control exactly. What are her interests and why does she do what she does? So I surmise that she is, and of course this is pretty obvious, the head honcho for the US's surveillance programs, the top link in the chain of command for that super secret, ultra clandestine sector of the government, the big boss, the one woman show, the... yeah, you get it. Cue fake laughter for oldest joke in the book. It seems that back when the government first began looking for a system like our machine they sort of created an entire field to research this (Samaritan, our machine etc.). This would be separate from the NSA as, though the principles of surveillance are the same, this would have taken it to a whole new level of observing as well as secrecy. We've seen numerous times how what The Machine does and what the NSA does function entirely separate from each other. Take the NSA POI from early on in the show himself. He went about his business of making reports while The Machine silently "corrected" his reports to show who really needed to be looked at in more depth. "But c'mon now, the NSA plays such a major role in what The Machine does or even why it can do what it does, and didn't you just mention that it makes some of those much needed reports?" It's true, the NSA does play a huge role in the show, mostly via its feeds that The Machine uses, but it has only ever been said that The Machine /uses/ the NSA feeds, not that it is using the NSA specifically to fulfill its directives, besides the feeds, which I'm sure now that it's so engrained that it may not even need them. Now, every good organization has to have a leader, and Special Council wasn't going to quite cut it, plus, you know what they say: behind every good man is an even greater woman. This is where Control would come in and hence the name. Her job is to oversee all of the programs under development, and after Finch made the breakthrough first, she shut down all other programs or so she thought. It's not hard to believe that after months of work, other scientists and engineers wouldn't be very attached to their work, especially if it was a major breakthrough. It's apparent now that Claypool saved his work on separate drives and gave them to a "Rudy" for safe keeping. Control though, being as thorough as she is, of course would know about this as some of the work done to Samaritan most likely "went missing". Now she is trying to tie things up and at the end of Lethe she just happened to run into Finch, whom she knows built our machine. How could she know about Finch, and what up with Hersh being 'in the know' as well? This is actually a simple examination of some facts. Back in God Mode at the end of season 2, Special Council and Hersh eventually wound up meeting Finch & company at the place The Machine was supposed to be held. After all that Hersh has been through and all that was said in front of him it is hard to see how he couldn't have figured it out. Also, they both answer to Control so I'm sure he informed her of Finch's existence sooner or later. Before moving on to our next topic, I would just like to say that I absolutely love Guru's latest assumption that it's not just the US that's doing this, but it's really a huge international organization that is simply using the US as home base so to speak. Now that, my friends, is one of the most brilliant ideas I've heard about the entire scope of the show. If only it were her writing this right now, we'd all be so much more enlightened. One can only dream that one day some other species besides a Cs PPP will dominate this thread. So onwards and forwards to Samaritan, though I've kind of sort of explained a lot of what I think so far! Obviously, another government program that was shut down, but where did it go next? Let me start to answer with what I think by saying that I do not think the Decima story line is over by a long shot. If so then I would consider that one of the weaker parts of the POI storyline thus far, very weak indeed, but alas, I have more faith than that and I /know/ they have something more in store for us. There are several possibilities here with Decima. I'm not one to think that they are too closely related to Vigilance, though they very easily could be. My overall guess is that they're trying to find Samaritan for themselves, or they are already working for it and performing its bidding. I am so torn between these two ideas that I'll just simply go over both! Why? Because I love to torcher both readers and myself with extra long posts, and because I can! Let's think back to the virus. What was its underlying purpose? To find and infect a machine such as ours if one did, in fact, exist. It seemed to do its job quite well. This is where the possibilities split. First, what if they are looking for Samaritan. Well, the virus would then have seemed to have given them quite a bit more info about some of The Machine's functions, such as where and when it would call a payphone, let alone the fact that it would call a payphone as a reset measure in the first place. Claypool seemed to mention that Samaritan still had some problems and that it wasn't quite done yet, which might make it more vulnerable to attack. Didn't you ever find it funny that Greer disappeared towards the end of God Mode? Well, perhaps he wasn't "on his way", as he put it, to our machine's call location, but perhaps to some place related to Samaritan's operations or even Samaritan's location itself. Being more susceptible to invasion they would most certainly have picked off the easiest target. Now you might say, "Well, if it was so easy to get into then what could they do to fix it, after all didn't they have to have help from Finch's code in order to even just find a machine in the first place?" True, it would be very easy to get into for them, that is until they got to it and reprogrammed it to their specifications, perhaps even infusing it with Finch's code. After all, he did say that he could encrypt The Machine so completely that no one could get in afterwards. Mimic some of that security and your set. It would end up being a war of machines between Decima with Samaritan-infused-with-Finch-code (its ultimate weakness as Harold would have to destroy his own code) and Finch & company with The Machine. Interesting enough that Greer would use the terms old gods and new gods. Perhaps Decima is trying to use the new gods (Samaritan with Finch code) to replace the old gods (our machine). The second possibility is just as feasible, and that's that Decima is actually already following Samaritan, that Samaritan not only survived being "Deactivated" but is up and running while already forming its own defense. It could have determined long ago, via security footage, that it had been destined to be shut down at a certain date without being properly finished. The only probably explanation there would be that another machine had been completed and built as well, which could have prompted it to make the virus so as to search for another machine. Finding one would be very significant and action would have to be taken immediately as system conflict would be inevitable. Decima could have disappeared for a while to prepare for "war" between the machines. These ideas bring me to back to Claypool. I am leaning more towards the idea that he is not really sick with a brain tumor, though he could very well have one, but I am actually more inclined to believe that he is just suffering from drugs used on him by Control and others (Vigilance or Decima maybe?). While I do think his "condition" is real to him and that he's not faking, I do think his full consciousness will return. Afterwards will come the twisty part. He seemed very, very attached to Samaritan and his work on it. My guess is that Harold will ask him for help shutting down, or making sure is shut down, Samaritan, but with his attachment to it, he will actually end up betraying Finch and doing just the opposite: trying to actually improve/finish his design. Finally, Root's predicament. I actually feel that the answer to all her mysterious contact with The Machine is pretty underwhelming considering, though it might not necessarily be this way. She could very well be communicating with it just by talking and waiting for "her" to make some kind of communication (Morse code) back using some nearby electronic device. My idea is simply that during the time when she went missing (remember when Shaw finally[!!!] asked where Root was at the end of The Devil's Share?) it seems like she had all the time in the world to modify her cage/surroundings to ensure proper communication with The Machine. She didn't seem to mind being locked up in there so much as she did not communicating with "her", hence why she came back. Also, I did not notice until it was brought up that The Machine does seem to be retasking her, probably to save Harold and the gang. Go Root! As always, thank you for reading my ungodly long theoretical rants about nothing (that's probably all wrong). I hope you enjoyed it, and remember, do not be afraid to post your own theories if you've got 'em! I mean, seriously, I feel like an insane person with no life who just sits here and makes up all these wacky theories all day. None of which are likely going to happen, but that's where the exit clause comes in! 8D If your right, who knows, you may just wind up with those kudos. []: /command=execute WeOut;

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CsPPP·2/17/2014

You know what? Scratch it... scratch it all! All my silly intro's, all my analyses, all my wacky ideas cause this idea that's been tugging away at my mind is so crazy I'll surely have my sanity stripped from me. It's contrary to other theories I've posted before, but I'm gonna post it anyway! "Why?" you might ask, well, "Why not?". Can it be too much of a reversal, too flip-floppity (Yep, I know I spelled that wrong), even too safe - yes, too safe - to have more than one theory about the same thing? Perhaps, but what are we if not constantly thinking, constantly reasoning out different outcomes and possibilities, surely not human with those absent! (Oh yeah, check it. Gettin' all philosophical here, but if you think that's deep then wrap your mind around this: "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?" --answer-- "It goes around." *BOOM* I know I just blew your minds and all [and this is getting crazier by the word, plus, parenthesis-ception!] but try to hold on just a little bit longer as I would love to know what you all think of this theory) So, without further ado, I present to you "My Insanity: by Cs PPP". It's about Decima. Alright, so first off, this vid might help: Titans. Secondly, this'll probably be short and too the point as I really don't have much "evidence" to support any of these thoughts in great detail, that is, besides a few words and phrases that can easily be interpreted in all manner of different ways. Let's start with what we know. So, by all accounts, Decima first appeared when Greer began talking to Kara Stanton in the hospital about her possibly joining them on their quest. One phrase struck me ever since I first saw that scene, one phrase that really stood out to me as a defining moment in the conversation, and that's when Greer told Kara "You work for the old gods[...]". Along with the rest of the story that he told her about Greek mythology, this simple phrase affectively sets Decima up as the 'new gods' and, of course, appears to make her previous bosses the 'old gods'. Being that we now know they had some inkling as to The Machine's existence via the Ordos laptop, this phrase then might also seem to suggest that The Machine itself could be included in /their/ collection of 'old gods', but why? What had the US done to them to make such an enemy? Well, back to the Greek myth, this metaphor would suggest that Decima, or it's leaders at least, is/are a product of the US intelligence initiative itself. That they were created by the 'old gods', and further, upon seeing them as a potential threat, these 'old gods' tried to crush them one by one before they could reach this potential. Sound like a familiar scenario yet perhaps? Now, we've already seen part of what happens next when God Mode aired. In order to survive, as the myth goes, they would need to feed these 'old gods' false data to choke on just like Zeus did with the boulder, which is exactly what Decima did in one way with the virus. They just didn't realize that Finch had removed the wrapper and put chewable candy inside. This all leads me into what might be the craziest idea I've had so far: that Decima is all of the other programs the government had going combined, from Tides to Samaritan, and they are hell-bent on destroying the 'old gods' so that they can assume, what they may see as, their rightful place, taking us into a new future. This also goes along with Finch's brief statement about anyone who would want to get their hands on such projects would want it to enslave others. As the Greek story interpretation would go, the Titans of the US intelligence initiative (Control, amongst many others) crushed each program one by one 'eating/confiscating/destroying' all their data they had recorded. All, of course, after Harold had finished The Machine, which they did not know at first. It would seem that these research groups only appeared to disband (and some of them probably did, such as Arthur's) while really teaming up, again (if this is, in fact, true), feeding them the wrong info, and that Claypool was the only one to save his work, though it did not go unnoticed. Now that they have Samaritan, they have one of ultimate powers, the ultimate boulder for the 'old gods' to choke on. With this power, my next addition to this crazy idea is that I think they will start a war. Not like you might expect, but a cyber war. It would fit in well with all the cyber crime and terrorism that we see today, and we all know how much POI likes to poke at reality. With Samaritan and Decima's ties to China via the spying ring, they could potentially deliver a huge blow to the US. Perhaps not in a physical wartime fashion but in an even deeper way. The entire country is connected together through the internet and other technology, and if it were to be tampered with, well, we all know how bad it gets when just our cell phones don't work. This could well be what The Machine was talking about when it told Root to tell Control that it was protecting them from something. Decima could even easily lie about everything and claim to be similar to Vigilance to get them on their side for this war. That would leave Harold & company along with Control together to team up. Ha, ha! All of this could break out right under our noses. 8D Ok, so I lied, it wasn't that short, but hey, I had a lotta 'splainin to do. I hope you enjoyed it and I'm sure there's little details I left out that could have even added to this (or completely made me look like a fool for just thinking such a thing). If so, feel free to post 'em as always! I'm always up to hear what you might have to say, and if your wrong then what the heck, at least you said it and there's always the exit clause! Thanks for readin' and, of course, if you don't have any "words of wisdom" to correct me or add to it, I'd still like to hear what you all think.

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CsPPP·3/20/2014

Ok, so I must be crazy, because I don't see any mention of this anywhere, but after the latest episode (Root Path) it's hard for me not to serve up some speculation on one key phrase I found extremely interesting. No, it's not the banter between Finch and Root, it's not the banter between Collier and Shaw, and it's not even the chip that Decima stole (that is for a later date 8D). This theory is all taken from one small phrase Root casually comments to Fusco around the middle of the show: when she tells him that she just became an FBI Agent to gain access to a nuclear power plant outside of Tulsa (That would most likely be Tulsa, Oklahoma). Just off the top of the pot here, where else, and why, before in the show has Root been interested in a nuclear power plant? Yes, yes indeed, that's right, it's all becoming clear now isn't it. I know what your thinking, well, one of two things: "Phhh, I noticed that like, before she even said it..." or "Whoa, my mind is blown." Hopefully it's a little of both, because the last time she wanted access to a nuclear power facility it was to find The Machine around Portland. So, what if The Machine is now located in Tulsa? "Why would it be?" you might ask, "What are the benefits of Tulsa?" Well, there are many actually. First, think back to the map that Finch had drawn of the possible three locations the government could have housed The Machine at. Why three? How come Finch couldn't have just shortened it down to one obvious facility? Well, "obvious" is exactly why. I imagine the government wouldn't build just one extremely likely place to hold The Machine at. It would at least build a few, or at in our case three, so as to divert suspicion away from one distinct place. Of the other two, one was aptly circled down around the Texas region. Meaning a likely facility with all the fixings for our Machine would be installed there. Of course, a place like that would probably be the first areas the government would search in a quest to recapture "their" property, so The Machine might not expressly be able to move there per se, but if perhaps it retrofitted another facility further up the line, by way of many private contractors and such, to fit its needs, it would be able to tap into the connections it uses and still have the power to run. It just so happens that the government was and is considering a nuclear facility a while ago, and now, just in that Oklahoma area. Black Fox fits the bill perfectly. Funny that Black Fox appears to be the only nuclear facility that was called off because of protests and such. Now, I'm am pretty certain that even if the facility was run down a bit a Machine that is self upgrading and can create an entire persona, let alone a fake company to go along with it, can take a few measurements about its power consumption and the connections it would need to function and then hire the appropriate contractors to get the job done. Plus, if the government had truly prepared each site to the fullest, the connections it would need would most likely run pretty close by on there way to the other facility. It would just need to tap in somewhere, remaining undetected, and I think we all know how good our Machine is at doing that. You can question why The Machine would let Root access its location, but I think the bottom line is that Root is on the level, no tricks and no evil agendas, and The Machine knows it. It trusts her as it can see she truly admires it as much as she says she does. Root probably drops in every now and again to say hey even, have some tea, play telephone (with her left ear), chat face to face, swap some superconductors. Joking aside, The Machine probably would use someone that is truly trustworthy to it to handle some important upgrades or other, as I'm sure it wants to avoid all ill-associated (With the government) or blabber mouth individuals. You've gotta admit, it fits pretty well doesn't it? It might not be as ironic as it being in New York right under there noses (underneath Broadway [the mass casualty event coordinates it gave during one of its prediction sequences]), or as cool as it being in many different places (a piece here and a piece there), but this location has one huge thing the show goes for a lot that the others do not: common sense. As always, thanks for reading. I hope you found it cohesive and it all makes sense the way I see it in my mind's eye. Don't forget, I may dominate the theories thread, but that's only because I'm a fanboy with no life and lots of time... ok, I do have a life, so I don't take time for POI, I make time for POI. Anyway, what I really mean to say is, if you have theories of your own, please post them. I love reading them and I know others do to, and if you're wrong then use the theorist's exit clause: "Theories subject to change as time goes on." Thanks again!

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A Fandom user·3/25/2014

I am a person of few words. The solution to the POI mystery is fully obvious. I quote, "It (this episode) heralds a return to the show's roots."

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CsPPP·4/3/2014

Wow, what a game changer that last episode (Most Likely To...) was! I'm still recovering from the overload of pure awesomeness, but, luckily I am strong enough to pump out a theory! I can never pass up an opportunity to share a new idea! Well, almost never, but these most recent events most certainly call for it! So much happened that I think I'll need to change up a few of my previous theories! As the season has progressed (yep, I'm totally using that exit clause that I always talk about, but you probably never considered more than a joke) predictions have changed and more information has surfaced, which call for new up to date ideas! So, without further ado, I present to you my theory on why I think Decima will get even trickier, Vigilance will become even more of a threat and how Control is more susceptible now than she ever has been. Plus, how our team will be thrown into the middle of it all! Let's begin with the most pressing thing that perhaps is on everyone's mind: Control! I mean, come on, right?! She had to shut down her freaking program! After all that she's done for the country? Well, of course, and I'm sure we all suspect it, that she is not done by a long shot. There is no way, with her feeling that the country is now basically unprotected, that she would sit idly by with her goons and their black bags, and just let this hole in their security open up. Heck, she even threatened her boss towards the end because of this. You might ask though, "But what can she do though? I know she's not one to lay down and take it, but all her power came because she had the backing of the government." Very true, she is truly desperate now, but that is what makes her perhaps one of the most dangerous threats to the system if there ever has been one this big! Why, because she is now the most susceptible character with knowledge of The Machine and most of its workings, which is exactly why I think Decima will come to her with a tempting offer. With Samaritan, they will have the "solution" to her problem, and I could very much see Control striking a deal with the devil in exchange for her country's safety. We've already seen that she's willing to "think outside the box/rules" on certain things, and she will do whatever it takes to protect the country. What could she possibly have to offer Decima though; why would they need her? Well, she has the one thing that no one else can give that would be the final piece to building Samaritan: access or knowledge of all the NSA feeds capable of allowing a machine to function properly. With her knowledge of what our Machine needed to function I'm quite certain she would be able to provide a map of the necessary lines to tap. This is where Vigilance would fit in. I know, you're scratching you heads right now because Vigilance has never seemed to be this deep into the battle of the machines. The fact is though, that they were the ones who drove Control to this level of desperation with their efforts to expose the government. "So, you're going to suggest that they've been working with Decima all along?" Yes and no really. Where we have seen Decima and Vigilance show up at the same place at the same time a lot, it is precisely for that reason that we can assume they are not working together. Why would Greer, who seemingly hires trustworthy workers who are loyal to him, show up at an op he had sent Vigilance to do when he prefers to linger in the shadows? Here comes the complicated part of my theory, my guess is that Vigilance has been secretly organized by Decima from the beginning. Doesn't it seem odd that Vigilance seems to have an endless supply of goons and weaponry, not to mention that for a hometown group of freedom fighters they are actually very well organized (hence my theory early on when I thought our Machine actually organized them for some purpose), it's just too well constructed to be that a few people got this idea to fight the government and it grew into this. Also, think about these facts. Vigilance shows up shortly after Decima fails to gain control of our Machine, and what do we know their purpose was: to expose the government for spying on the American people. With their gung ho attitude it seems as though they only needed direction and a bit of a kick start to get organized and off they go. Decima could have easily learned of Samaritan, came up with this plot to force Control into desperation (and expose our Machine), and get her to give them what they need to complete it. Vigilance just wouldn't have realized that they had been tricked until it was too late. Now to the future, and to where our group comes in! I think that the finale will end up being a three way battle between our group, a betrayed Vigilance, and Decima/Control! A battle of the machines so to speak. Samaritan will come online and the entire internet structure will be shaken by the cyber warfare between our Machine and it. It won't just be that either. I'm sure Reese and Shaw will have goons and their black bags to deal with, and Finch as well as Root and her army of hackers will play huge roles. The end is what I think will be most surprising though. Of everything that happens, I think Vigilance will be the ones who defeat Decima and bring down Samaritan, perhaps being killed themselves in the process! In the end, if they're not dead, it would be nice to see Vigilance come around once they see all the destruction and loss of life our that either took place or could have happened, but ended or stopped by our Machine. Once they realize it is autonomous from the government and is truly in the interest of protecting lives I could see them joining Root in the hunt for Relevant numbers. Who knows, anything could happen on this show! As always, thanks for reading. I hope you all enjoyed my latest wacky idea (yes, even the ending, which is most likely not to occur if anything does even), but hey, if not then I'll just use the good old exit clause again: "Theories subject to change as the show goes on..." Remember, if you have any ideas please feel free to post them on the forums; I love reading them all, and the exit clause is always available to you as well, so no worries there! Thanks again.

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A Fandom user·9/4/2014

i think harold finch....is really dexter for dexter's labortory ....john reece is really monkey,,,and root is dee dee

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