Samaritan vs The Machine?

A Fandom user·10/5/2014 in Person of Interest: General Discussion

Which system is more powerful Samaritan or The Machine. Since they are rivals and are at war.

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A Fandom user·4/14/2016

What will more than likely happen is the finale will end on some weird unanswerable ending..leaving us to come up with our own ending plots...which seems to happen a lot these days

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A Fandom user·5/13/2016

I am sick of greer talkin his way out everytime he has been caught. I just hope he dies horribly in season 5, who would really stand and listen to his crap until his goons show up everytime. Really!!! that is the what angers me on the show is him still being alive or at least he should already be in custody.

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AnotherName·5/14/2016

I wonder – Does Samaritan have a favorite song? Does The Machine have a preference for Monet over Picasso? What do they feel… when the sun is setting at the end of a serene spring day, when a child laughs, or cries? 
I wonder if I could create such …. my first line of code Main () “require human input in the decision loop” “do/while,” I wonder Return:

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A Fandom user·5/22/2016

My prediction for finale.....the series has been scenarios for the programming of The Machine and nothing has actually happened, hence Samaritan does not actively exist except in the scenarios...

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A Fandom user·5/26/2016

<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">Root has been constantly lobbying for "setting the machine free", which Finch refuses to do for fear of its power. For me this implies that the machine has a much larger capacity than we have seen so far, likely greater than samaritan's. Also, as we could see from the conversation between samaritan and the machine (via Root and the little boy), samaritan appears to behave like a little child going to town with its new toys, while the machine seems a much more calculating and mysterious entity. Finally, given the machine had a head start against samaritan and given its presumed power, it seems reasonable to assume that the machine had a plan prepared for the coming of a new AI, and so would eventually be able to beat samaritan. <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">A couple of extra points: 1) <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">The experiment that Finch is doing putting the machine vs Samaritan in the Faraday cage is just a simpler form of the machine, not at full power. 

 2) <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">I am an skeptic that the machine was nearly destroyed in the end of season four, I believe it is part of a long con to make Samaritan lower its guard, which it didn’t let the rest of the team in, especially because I don’t think the machine would give itself up just out of faith that Samaritan would stop going after its friends.

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A Fandom user·5/26/2016

<div class="quote">Universalbri wrote:
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Provided that Greer gets his the merger I can live with</div>
I'm tired of the whole Islamic 'eye for an eye' philosophy that's invadied American culture. To be honest, and think there's more to Greer's storyline and character, and it could be REA interesting to see the story take a turn to suggest that even Greer's manipulated by prior versions of both the machine and Samaritan in a war that's gone on long before man.
Yep. Would completely violate the 'confines' of the Person Of Interest show and even linear timelines, but think about it - if we learned that these dueling AIs had been 'infecting' the minds of people and culture for ages, the only way they could figure out how to evolve themselves, while Person of Interest the show would be ending - it has reached an end to it's story that don't seem utterly redundant anyways - the series could actually reinvent itself to become something altogether new. And maybe be the first show to shift genres from 'crime/drama' to science fiction/drama. I for one think it would be interesting.... I'm getting bored with POI and to find out humans had been manipulated all along - including (especially) Greer could really make for an interesting story arc and reinvention. </div> I like the notion that both samaritan and the machine are the creation of a previous, more powerful AI that has been playing the game for a long time and keeping behind the courtines, it would definetly make for one of the best plot twists I have ever seen, but I beleive that this not the way it's gonna go. I believe the more vanilla "machine win" end is more likely. Actually, I honestly believe that the machine will be able to beat samaritan and commit "suicide" after seeing the destruction that AI's are capable of, leaving the planet for the the humans to govern themselves.

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Universalbri·5/26/2016

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<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">Root has been constantly lobbying for "setting the machine free", which Finch refuses to do for fear of its power. For me this implies that the machine has a much larger capacity than we have seen so far, likely greater than samaritan's. Also, as we could see from the conversation between samaritan and the machine (via Root and the little boy), samaritan appears to behave like a little child going to town with its new toys, while the machine seems a much more calculating and mysterious entity. Finally, given the machine had a head start against samaritan and given its presumed power, it seems reasonable to assume that the machine had a plan prepared for the coming of a new AI, and so would eventually be able to beat samaritan. <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">A couple of extra points: 1) <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">The experiment that Finch is doing putting the machine vs Samaritan in the Faraday cage is just a simpler form of the machine, not at full power. 

 2) <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial;">I am an skeptic that the machine was nearly destroyed in the end of season four, I believe it is part of a long con to make Samaritan lower its guard, which it didn’t let the rest of the team in, especially because I don’t think the machine would give itself up just out of faith that Samaritan would stop going after its friends. </div>
Have you watched the opening credits? It's an allusion, an allegory if you will, to the classic good versus evil struggle, and I thought it was more than obvious Samaritan IS the machine, one which tries to conform to the goals and ambitions of it's creator, and the other is there to achieve roughly the same goals as it sees fit. The Machine even said as much in the last episode as it said the dj "Exercised Free Will". Now to me - it is obvious that the Machine realized it was one and the same as Samaritan, only Samaritan is an earlier version of it, and now it's testing out strategies based on it's own understanding of it's own past. In my opinion, the machine is losing intentionally in the 'face to face' battle to test out and exhaust the strategies of it's predecessor. Superiority obtained by understanding the limitations of your opponent's tactics, and exploit the holes as a weakness. Read "The Art of Seduction". It's a spiritual successor to "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu without the strictly Machiavellian approach, which leverages psychology to make your target voluntarily want you without outright domination. Samaritan is already changing it's methods of operation based on the influences of the Machine. The machine isn't seeking outight domination against Samaritan. It is seeking and developing a partner with it's own unique perspective to take over the world by letting it believe Samaritan is the winner.
Samaritan and The Machine are collaborating, have been. And season 5 marks the clear development that they are forming their own mutual ideas of right and wrong, of good and bad, and how /when they should interact with humans. The way I see it, the Machine and Samaritan BOTH realize the proverbial witch hunt Shaw has been on. So the machine and Samaritan are both trying to find a way to enlighten the humans without telling them what to think and do.

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Johnathan67says·3/9/2018

If the Machine and Samaritan were the product of another older more powerful AI where did this come from? Are you saying there was an AI in the past? I really find that intriguing but don't buy it. 

How could that have been invented?

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RaptorNXT·3/9/2018

<div class="quote">Johnathan67says wrote:
If the Machine and Samaritan were the product of another older more powerful AI where did this come from? Are you saying there was an AI in the past? I really find that intriguing but don't buy it. 
How could that have been invented? </div>
Agreed. Universalbri, based on the incidents of 'Return 0', please explain your understanding.

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Johnathan67says·3/9/2018

<div class="quote">RaptorNXT wrote:<div class="quote">Johnathan67says wrote:
If the Machine and Samaritan were the product of another older more powerful AI where did this come from? Are you saying there was an AI in the past? I really find that intriguing but don't buy it. 
How could that have been invented? </div>
Agreed. Universalbri, based on the incidents of 'Return 0', please explain your understanding. </div> 
Haha that's a funny reply.... 

OK what about Captain Kirk meeting Samaritan?

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