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RaptorNXT·3/9/2018

<div class="quote"><i>Johnathan67says wrote:
If the Machine and Samaritan were the product of another older more powerful AI where did this come from? Are you saying there was an AI in the past? I really find that intriguing but don't buy it. <p>
</p><p>How could that have been invented? </p> </i></div>
<p>Agreed. Universalbri, based on the incidents of 'Return 0', please explain your understanding. </p>

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RaptorNXT·3/11/2017

<div class="quote"><i>Oganesson wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>RaptorNXT wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Oganesson wrote:
I wonder if there are some certain clues about when Samaritan and the Machine were destroyed and the duplicate Machine restored? It should be added as some time stamps seem to be added, yet I can't sure. <p>Especially I saw some articles write like this: </p>

A week later, the duplicate goes online...

<p>I doubt. </p> </i></div>
<span style="font-weight:normal;">Please rewatch the ending of the finale - the last 16 minutes includes the destruction of activation of the Samaritan copy on the satellite by the uploaded Machine copy, the download of the Machine copy onto the backup servers of Mr. Finch in the Subway station, the original Machine's instructions to the Duplicate copy, and it's contact to Shaw via the payphones.</span> </div>Hmm, thank you. But my point is, as far as I can get there, it appears there is no clear date of these events. I guess this must be a common result after Return 0. There are so many flashbacks and timeline articles about the event, but they are all outdated, especially events in Season 4 & 5. </div> <p>I suppose this will need a bigger discussion with experienced PoI Wikia fols like HelloClaire and others... </p>

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RaptorNXT·3/7/2017

<div class="quote"><i>Oganesson wrote:
I wonder if there are some certain clues about when Samaritan and the Machine were destroyed and the duplicate Machine restored? It should be added as some time stamps seem to be added, yet I can't sure. <p>Especially I saw some articles write like this: </p>

A week later, the duplicate goes online...

<p>I doubt. </p> </i></div>
<p><span style="font-weight:normal;">Please rewatch the ending of the finale - the last 16 minutes includes the destruction of activation of the Samaritan copy on the satellite by the uploaded Machine copy, the download of the Machine copy onto the backup servers of Mr. Finch in the Subway station, the original Machine's instructions to the Duplicate copy, and it's contact to Shaw via the payphones.</span> </p>

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RaptorNXT·6/23/2016

<div class="quote"><i>CsPPP wrote:
This is how I envisioned the final moments of the show, where I said I was waiting for them to redo the intro and close it out. Tell me what you guys think! <p>Finch: You are being watched... Shaw: You have a secret system, a machine... Fusco: That watches out for you, every hour of every day... Logan Pierce: We know because we help it... Joey Durban: It was designed to see acts of terror, but it sees everything, including violent crimes involving ordinary people like you and me... Harper Rose: It needed our help to act, someone with the skills to intervene... Zoey Morgan: Hunted by the authorities, we work in secret, but victim or perpetrator... The Machine/Root: If your number is up... we... will find you. </p> </i></div>
<p>That would have been a really great ending... </p><p>It is the ending we deserve, but not the ending we need right now... </p>

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RaptorNXT·6/7/2016

<div class="quote"><i>Lazy8 wrote:
<i><span style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Raptor NXT wrote:</span></i> <p><i><span style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">"Can someone please paraphrase Reese's comment exactly? That's be great, thanks! Along with Harold's threat to Samaritan, Reese's comment to Shaw at the end is a great quote."</span></i> </p><p><span style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">Rap, the full quote is in the quotes section for this episode.</span> </p><p><span style="font-size:16px;line-height:26px;">It was a bit of a throwaway line. But that's kinda the way Reese talks</span> </p> </i></div>
<p>Thanks! Missed it there, my bad! His talking style is quite characteristic, very true, L8... </p>

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RaptorNXT·6/7/2016

<div class="quote"><i>Efadfa wrote:
Raptor, I'm glad someone else sees the resemblance to DW. I personally thought about it when I found out that Shaw has been through so, so many simulations, it reminded me about last season of Doctor Who, I'm sure if you watched it you know, I don't want to spoiler it.</i></div>
<p>No, haven't got the opportunity to watch last season of Dr. Who yet - let's not spoiler it here - that's for a different forum... Cheers! </p>

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RaptorNXT·6/7/2016

<div class="quote"><i>Ghostwriter1924 wrote:
<div class="quote">TJlive800 wrote:
<div class="quote">Helloclaire wrote: <p>2. How did Samaritan know that Prof. Whistler is Finch? So far it could never identify him as Finch, so I wonder how it managed to map the irrelevant Prof. Whistler to Finch, who was the one to go to the cafe with Grace years ago. Was it Finch talking to the Machine which Samaritan intercepted? Probably... but still it didn't really become clear. If it was Shaw in her simulations that lead Samaritan to Finch.. possible, but then Samaritan would have had plenty of opportunities to find Finch before this episode. </p> </i></div>
Samaritan keeps a perpetual watch on the world's citizens just like the Machine, and meticulously monitors the details of every individual regardless of how much value or relevance they have towards the AI's, Decima, Finch etc. Seeing as it's able to identify patterns on rapid instinct, it's easy to connect the dots between Whistler and the identical-looking Finch, both of whom visited that cafe. That lead alone unravels all the other connections that led to Finch's cover being compromised.</div> <p>
</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Here is something to think about. How did Martine and Greer find Shaw?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>(Point of Origin) Human intellignece. I am sure a colliberation between Samaritan and its human agents found Finch.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I did like Reeses’<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>comment about Finch being the perp.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></p> </div> <p>
</p><p>Can someone please paraphrase Reese's comment exactly? That's be great, thanks! Along with Harold's threat to Samaritan, Reese's comment to Shaw at the end is a great quote. </p><p>Speaking of Harold's threat to Samaritan, it reminds me of Dr. Who's quote, "Devils Run, When a Good Man Goes to War." </p>

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RaptorNXT·12/29/2015

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I think the thread of DNA left from the machine will somehow be loaded into Samaritan thereby giving it the moral code it lacks when it comes to respecting human life. Somehow it will then recognize Finch as Admin again and the show will end with the team getting back to saving the irrelevant numbers. Somehow Control will be involved....afterall she didn't die and I also think Elias is still alive...he got shot in the shoulder....the team will draw from additional people they saved over the years to enact their plan and eventually overcome Samaritan. Just a theory....don't care if I'm right, but I do want to see Greer come to an ugly painful end somehow.....</i></div>
<p>You may be onto something. </p><p>Perhaps after infusion of Machine's moral code (something like the Three Laws of Robotics) into Samaritan, Samaritan may realize the error of its ways, and institute positive changes after gaining humanity, which may end up wiping that smug grin off Greer's face (among more notable changes). </p><p>There may be parallels drawn from Justice League episodes Tabula Rasa 1 and 2, where Jon Jonnz's gift of the power of mind reading gave the superpowered android Amazo the ability to discover the deceptions of others, and gain the benevolence so looked for. Similar to the benevolence of the Machine. </p>

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RaptorNXT·8/2/2015

Next is what?

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RaptorNXT·6/2/2015

<div class="quote"><i>Utg001 wrote:
I'm not sure where you are going with this, you basically said what I have already said. Finch's machine was designed to save people's lives while Samaritan was designed to kill deviants or in other words criminals. <p>Now this is the beauty of this show, of course I wouldn't mind if Samaritan kills every terrorist and criminal in the world, but then again, it killed off not only Elias, but it took away Control for being a deviant. And of course if a person would do what Samaritan is doing people would simply call him a dictator. </p><p>And lastly, to discuss which one is better, Machine created its own physical external hard drive, then moved itself off to some place which not even Samaritan could guess. Then, it had to give up its location because it had to save a few lives. In contrast I would say Samaritan lost because although Machine died, it got its objectives of saving people, Samaritan, not so much, Harold, Root, Reese are stil alive. All of this was prompted by Root's search for the machine back in season 2. And of course, how can you say Machine is dead, Samaritan failed to kill off the machine completely. All we know is Harold can go back and rebuild it with the DNA. </p><p>But bringing you back to the facts here. Both machines were made to stop the next 9/11. Both have been going on equal terms on that respect. Samaritan is pretty much becoming the next 9/11 by becoming the Judge, Jury and the Executioner itself. Samaritan's rule would be like that savage ant species in Africa which kidnaps other ant's eggs, and when they hatch they believe this is their home, and would happily feed their hosts. In that regard I would consider Samaritan to be the ultimate malicious being. </p> </i></div>
<p>Finally... Thank you! Well put! </p>

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RaptorNXT·5/16/2015

<p>Since the ending and storyline is already ready, it might have been shared to CBS, and they may have approved. All this vagueness could be a tactic to drive interest back to this show. Plus we can hope that CBS must have learnt a lesson from when Fox messed with Whedon (Firefly and Dollhouse). </p><p>Fingers' crossed. </p>

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RaptorNXT·5/6/2015

<p>Awesome episode! Just when one thought that things couldn't go south any further, they did - and in a logical way! No idiot ball, no deux-ex-machina! </p><p>Awaiting SeasoNext for PoI - oh, when will CBS renew? </p>

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RaptorNXT·3/25/2015

<p>Oh no! An arrow in The Machine's quiver is lost... The price was very high, unpayable for sure, so it's perhaps for the best... After all, to quote Mr. Finch, "...the mission, our purpose, has always been constant: to save lives." </p><p>But, need a hope, that somewhere, something's going to replace what's lost... with something better. </p>

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RaptorNXT·2/25/2015

Wonder if she'll be Elias' infiltrator into the Brotherhood...

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RaptorNXT·2/23/2015

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hey guys.You must be forgetting that Samaritan besides being more powerfull than "The Machine" because of lack of "human feelings" and all hardware advanced that he possess,but he has a big big problem.Samaritan is owned by Decima like we saw in "Beta" and "deux et Machina".Decima put samaritan in command by their choice,but can be just shut down like a computer.The Machine is self aware,don´t respond to no one,and can´t be turn off.</i></div>
<p>Are we sure that Decima/ Greer has the Samaritan kill switch? And would a self-aware AI like Samaritan not have ensured that the kill switch be hidden? Not to mention that it too would have made some backups/ failsafes/ DRP. </p>

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RaptorNXT·2/3/2015 in General Discussion - Q&A

TV Tropes pages on Person of Interest

<p>Wondering if anyone here has visited the TV Tropes pages for Person of Interest? </p><p>Main: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/PersonOfInterest </p><p>Poignant: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TearJerker/PersonOfInterest </p><p>Funny: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Funny/PersonOfInterest </p><p>Enjoy, folks! </p>

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RaptorNXT·1/12/2015

<p>Let's not have a war on what could have been. It's more interesting trying to predict what's next! </p><p>Do you all think Samaritan will suffer at least one partial reversal at the end of this arc? Or will Shaw be in vain? </p><p>Team Machine has been reacting for too long, don't you all think? Would be fun to see them take an initiative. </p>

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RaptorNXT·1/5/2015

<p>I wonder what became of Finch's 'talk' with The Machine (reference: Prophets)... </p>

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RaptorNXT·12/17/2014

<p>I sincerely hope that Team Machine (including The Machine) has a helluva believable advantage to fight back... Things look way too dark right now. </p>

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RaptorNXT·11/14/2014

<div class="quote"><i>TheSamaritanUknow wrote:
<div class="quote">RaptorNXT wrote:
It would be interesting if Samaritan were to do things different from what Greer's concept of a free, benevolent, logical leader would do... how would Greer react to that? <p>If Samaritan decides that humanity is 'Irrelevant', for instance... as The Machine 'cares', and Samaritan doesn't... or as Root so eloquently put, the difference between The Machine and Samaritan is that The Machine has Finch. </p> </i></div>
Greer never thought of Samaritan as a benevolent overlord: right in Deus Ex Machina, halfway through the data assimilation, Samaritan had over 3000 targets to eliminate and Millions of Deviants identified in the States alone. <p>Plus, i think Samaritan is more powerful. It has unlimited resources, it's backed by an internacional, faceless, multibillion dolar organization, has hundreds of human agents working for it, and the reason it failed when Arthur Claypool created it was because fast enough hardware didn't exist at the time. And last but not least, the Machine's care for human life doesn't let it take the necessary actions to protect itself or to kill competition, unlike Samaritan.
</p> </div> <p>With Samaritan so powerful, what will it take to take it down? </p><p>And what is the status of Samaritan's 'request' to Greer to 'Find The Machine'? </p><p>Holding my breath... </p>

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